Sunday, January 30, 2005

More victories

Well, it looks from this news like we've taken over a few other hostile territories

The French government, which was one of the fiercest opponents of the US-led invasion of Iraq, hailed the vote as a "great success for the international community" and called the high voter turnout "good news".

"France never stopped saying, in unison with the international community, that this was a crucial step," a government spokesman said.

In Berlin, the German government hailed the election as "an important step on the path to construction of democratic structures."

I think we have passed the global test, Senator Kerry.


Blogger TallDave said...

Yes, but next will come weeks and weeks of "democracy is nice, but the ends doesn't justify the means" speeches from the countries for which we killed millions to liberate from tyranny.

January 31, 2005 at 3:24 PM  
Blogger Louis said...

Try to set foot in France and I will personally smother you with the most potent artisanal cheese I can find. What part of "France has been calling for elections for the past two years" don't you understand? Elections only happened at all because Bush triangulated his views with Kerry and Europe. You are, I really hate to say, an arrogant dope.

January 31, 2005 at 3:27 PM  
Blogger Larry said...

Louis, set away from the cheese. It has clearly affected your thinking. France had done nothing but make money off of suffering in Iraq. And don't worry, no sane person would go to France except to accept another surrender.

January 31, 2005 at 3:50 PM  
Blogger MisterPundit said...

Louis, you are, I hate to say, making no sense at all. Triangulate that!

January 31, 2005 at 3:51 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

Who'd want to set a foot, or any other part of a body, inside France? The women make good hookers and the men make good waiters. But I can't go the snails or all those big noses with all that hair coming out of them. And the women - somebody lend them a razor and a bar of soap. The last person I know that willingly set foot in France was Hitler and his boys. And that was only because it was on the way to England.

January 31, 2005 at 3:58 PM  
Blogger Louis said...

Eh, it really don't matter much now, but when did France and Germany oppose elections in Iraq? In fact, when De Villepin (or "vile villepin" or whatever you good freedom lovin' folks called him) called for elections, y'all panned him. "Stupid Frenchie."

Representing this election in Iraq as a victory for America over its "Old-Europe" foes is stupid. It's gross. It's silly. What is it about France that gets to you guys so bad anyway? So, so dumb.

January 31, 2005 at 4:01 PM  
Blogger MisterPundit said...

"Representing this election in Iraq as a victory for America over its "Old-Europe" foes is stupid."

Personally, I think this election is a victory for Iraq over Old Europe.

January 31, 2005 at 4:07 PM  
Blogger John Davies said...


Pick any task - washing a car, writing a letter, whatever.

Now let me stand behind you and criticise everything you do. I of course, will show no evidence that I can do the job better than you. I will also not pick up a sponge or a pen to help with the task. I will just criticize your performance.

When you are done, I'll take credit for helping.

In short, I will be acting French.

January 31, 2005 at 4:27 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

You know that all well and good with France. I still refuse to buy once drop of their wines anymore

January 31, 2005 at 4:29 PM  
Blogger Jason Erickson said...

Louis -

What was France's path from Saddam Hussein in power to elections? Are you saying France supported elections to ouster Saddam? I didn't hear of it, but I'll take your word for it if that's what you mean. That would be an easy thing to be 'for'. While your at it, be for longer days in the winter.

If you are talking about something France advocated post 'liberation', *sarcasm on* thanks for the help and the great advice. Bush never would have gone for elections if the Europeans hadn't demanded it. That is because he is an evil cowboy, but at least he has the virtue of almost always buckling to European pressure as you know. *sarcasm off*

January 31, 2005 at 5:05 PM  
Blogger Charlie Eklund said...


The reason certain Americans don't care for France is the belief that France is a country populated by folks who think and act like you. Not a good image to have, if you ask me.

The bloom is definitely off la vie en rose and France has only itself to blame.

Hope that clears it up for you.

January 31, 2005 at 7:53 PM  
Blogger Libertarian Girl said...

That's just said for reasons of international diplomacy, and has nothing to do with how anyone in France really feels. Libertarian Girl.

January 31, 2005 at 8:44 PM  
Blogger harscand said...

Well, I would have hoped the French military could have at least taught the Sunni Iraqi's how to surrender properly and lay down their arms. If only the French were TRUE partners, they would come to Iraq and teach the "insurgents" the finer points of French military etiquette.

January 31, 2005 at 8:50 PM  
Blogger GaijinBiker said...

I think Louis was joking.

January 31, 2005 at 8:55 PM  
Blogger nick said...

I see moronic statments continue above.

The global test (of the ILLeGAL invasion) was failed long ago.

January 31, 2005 at 9:27 PM  
Blogger Louis said...

Nah, I wasn't joking. I think the gloating is disgusting, and the hatred of France idiotic. My FRENCH grandfather was a resistance POW in a german concentration camp, so this gets a little personal.

He was liberated by the Russians, just incidentally. You know, the country that actually defeated germany in the war, taking 20 million casualties. I'm just sayin'! Hey, I love America, but I think overblown patriotism is toxic to real thinking, and I think hating on France has become a weird kind of compensation for Americans who are actually deeply freaked out about their government's actions in the world.

January 31, 2005 at 11:14 PM  
Blogger John Clifford said...

Hey Louis, the only reason the Soviets were able to liberate your grandfather was because the US was shipping convoy after convoy of war materiel to them via the Northern route (to Murmansk).

There's no doubt that the Soviets paid a high price in lives to defend themselves against the Germans (and the price was much higher than it needed to be due to Stalin's purging of the officer corps, the habit of imprisoning or killing all repatriated/escaped Soviet POWs, etc.). However, if we had not kept them in the game, and if we had not helped on the Western Front by opening up a front in Italy and later in France (that's right... the US liberated France!) then "Liebensraum" would be a new subdivision on the outskirts of Moscow.

What we Americans hate about the Frogs is their perfidity veiled with je ne sais quois. Yes, France was against the Iraq War from the get-go... didn't want it interfering with the lucrative oil contracts and bribes coming from Saddam. J'accuse! It WAS all about the oil... to the French, the Germans, and the UN.

Re l'humanite... after the tsunami the US got a task force (including carrier) on the way to Indonesia within 24 hours. That task force, with its helicopters, fresh water, food, and medical care, is STILL the major aid provider in south Asia as of this date. The French? Monsieur, we had to make le port call at Djibouti et cherche les femmes avant proceding a la Indonesie. AFP even ran a story on how pathetic the French response to the tsunami was.

Ah.. France! Plus ca change... the more things stay the same.

January 31, 2005 at 11:35 PM  
Blogger Hal said...

Thanks, Louis, for your comments. While many Americans and French may disagree on the means, we do agree that the results -- free elections -- are a good thing.

Please forgive Michael's comments about French women being "hookers". Where most true Americans come from, such language and sentiments are not tolerated in mixed company. He is obviously ill-bred and no gentleman. Ignore him.

I am sure you can sympathize wih our "Michael" problem, since you have much the same problem with the masses of Muslim immigrants filling up France. Just as France may need two or three generations to completely civilize its African Muslim immigrants, we Americans will need another generation or two to refine our Michaels as well.

With any luck, we will be able to reach and civilize Michael's sons and grandsons. It would be satisfying to this American if his offspring could be educated not to refer to women in such foul terms even if he himself cannot be reached. I wish you the same luck civilizing your new Muslim immigrants.

February 1, 2005 at 4:13 AM  
Blogger brak said...

This just in, Kerry: "While this passes the global test it still falls short of the Universe test. Until we hear from the hydrogen people, who make up a large part of the sun population, we will never have legitimacy."

February 1, 2005 at 5:41 AM  
Blogger MisterPundit said...

I think the gloating is disgusting, and the hatred of France idiotic.Confusing hatred of France with valid critcism of France is just as idiotic. My mother was borne in France, my father is from Quebec, I speak French, and I have dozens of relatives in France. So yeah, it's personal for me too.

My opinion of French foreign policy however is that it's pretty damn stupid. My opinion of Chirac is that he is political opportunist, and yes I think he was disappointed that the Iraqis turned out so well for their elections. That's not gloating or hatred, it's just my opinion.

February 1, 2005 at 9:22 AM  
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Blogger Grace said...

I haven't bothered to chime in because I didn't think I had anything worthwhile to contribute beyond what was already being said. But I appreciate everyone who took the keystroke-time here. It ended up being an interesting discussion that I enjoyed much more than my original post(!)

I think it's interesting that it distilled down into What's Wrong with the French? If there's a country that should get accused of forgetting about the global community, IMHO, it's les francais. It's hard to believe that the absolute confidence in their own superiority has been going strong for generations. And with so little empirical evidence! C'est la guerre.

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